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| From | Message | Posted by jstevens1
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7/20/2008
12:33:02
Play online chess |  Subject: Vienna Game
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Hi everyone!
This is a very oldy worldy opening. With the advent of the Sicilian Defence (I have faced a lot of Sicilians, particularly in my 3 mini-tournaments) this opening seems to have gone out of fashion.
My mentor, Ionadowman and I decided to run through the Vienna to see what came out of it in an unrated game which I lost called "An Expert Lesson in Piece Placement Part 2".
Have any of you tried out this opening and if so, what are your views?
I hope you are all having a nice weekend.
Bye for now.
Joanne
| Posted by loreta
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7/21/2008
05:26:31
Play online chess | :)
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I've just started Vienna game... :)
| Posted by ionadowman
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7/23/2008
06:29:27
Play online chess | loreta...
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... Do you mean a Vienna Gambit, with 3.f2-f4, or the Vianna Game with 3.Bc4? Joanne played the gambit line to which i responded with 3...d5, which seems to give Black a reasonable game.
But 3.Bc4, not so ambitious nor so committal, might in long run offer better chances.
Any thoughts on this?
Cheers,
Ion
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Posted by loreta
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7/23/2008
07:54:41
Play online chess | Huh...
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I just mean 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 - and that could evolve later into "gambit" or "game"...
Black has few quite good responses: 2. ... Nf6; 2. ... Nc6; 2. ... Bc5 and so...
Mentioned game went into "gambit" (2. ... Nf6 3. f4 exf4) line.
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In past, I used mainly 3. Bc4 variation - in fact, only delaying f4. For me, it often (especially after d3) looks a bit similar to Bishop opening. Quite often the game runs in that scenario: After Kh1 - White has a pressure of heavy pieces at King side (by half open f-file) - often with support of pawn minority attack. I enjoyed many games played in that manner.
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But also I examined one "dull" line: 2. ... Nf6 3. Bc4 Nxe4 4. Qh5 Nd6
There more interesting game is after 5. Bb3
But i tried in few games 5. Qxe5+ with very sluggish further game - as usually leading to a draw (and Black could win, even)
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I even annotated one of my early games played here at GK; I will check if I'd able to find that text.
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Posted by john_wr
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7/30/2008
06:20:48
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Hello Joanna
I have played the Vienna Opening for many years now and had reasonable success with it,
especially over the board. There are many traps that black has to avoid.. here are a few
examples...
Trap 1 (Vienna Pawn push)
1. e4 e5
2. Nc3 Nf6
3. f4 exf4 (main line goes 3... d5 4. fxe5 Nxe4. then 5. d3 or Nf3 (see Trap 2)
4. e5 Qe7
5. Qe2 Ng8 (the only safe square)
6. Nf3 d6?
7. Nd5 Qd8
8. Nxc7+ wins the Rook, if 8... Qxc7 then exd6+ wins the Queen.
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Trap 2 (The Vienna Queen Check)
1. e4 e5
2. Nc3 Nf6
3. f4 d5
4. fxe5 Nxe4
5. d3 Qh4+
6. g3 Nxg3
7. Nf3 Qh5
8. Nxd5 Na6 (or Kd8)
9. Nf4 Qh6 (only move that prevents hxg3)
10. Ne2 wins the Knight on g3 due to the discovered attack on the Queen.
There are many other possible moves with this variation but I believe that White stands better
after most of them.
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Trap 3 (if Blacks plays 2. Nc6)
1. e4 e5
2. Nc3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. Qg4 Qf6? (surprising how many players choose this inferior move)
5. Nc3 (ignoring the attack on f2)
5. ....... Qxf2+
6. Kd1 (Black is now unable to deal with both threats.. Nxc7+ winning the QR & Qxg7
winning the KR...
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I would recommend this opening unless you are consistently playing very strong opposition.
If Black avoids the traps then my plan is to play moves like... 0-0, Kh1, Qe1, Qg3, f5, Bh6
which often results in a winning King Side attack, however, I have also lost a few games with
this opening.
Hope this is of help
John
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